Like vs. such as
James Kilpatrick takes the New York Times to task in his column this week. His gripe? Like vs. such as.
He makes two points. First, briefly, he considers possible confusion:
For example, "Contemporary writers like Norman Mailer and Annie Dillard have worked in Provincetown." The "like" in this construction creates an IH - an Infinitesimal Hesitation. For the nanosecond, we wonder which of five "likes" we confront. Is it the verb? Is the Times saying that certain writers "are fond of" something? No! This "like" is a preposition! This "like" means "such as."Second, he points out that, often, writers are making no comparison at all, rendering "like" nonsensical.
Questions: Who are these masters like Picasso, industrial towns like Birmingham, officials like Governor Pataki and scholars like Warren Zimmerman? What are these movies like "Gladiator," these classics like "Swan Lake"? Where are communities like Veronawalk and Grandezza? A Times critic commented in March on Super Bowl TV commercials "featuring characters like a flatulent horse." Aaargh!He then points out that no matter how many times the Times gets it wrong, the Washington Post is sure to get it right, "a model in this field."
posted by Nicole @ 12:11 AM
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Nice to see the Post being complimented in an area where many would call us pedantic. I've waffled a bit on this point, and I leave "like" alone when I can justify it, but I'll repeat my favorite example of the usefulness of the distinction:
William Bennett condemned things like gambling, if not things such as gambling.
I think most reasonable people, presented with "William Bennett condemned things like gambling," would assume that gambling was among the things he condemned.
Until they find William Bennett gambling. Then they are forced to re-evaluate everything they thought they knew about grammar.
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Using the preposition “like” in an inclusive sense often causes confusion (regardless of how long it has been allowed in the language). This is an issue of clarity, not pedantry or etymological pedigree. When it’s obvious that "like" means “including,” I generally let it stand. When there’s doubt, I rewrite it, but not necessarily with “such as.”
(What’s the record for fouled-up and deleted posts here?)
You're nowhere close to the record, Peter.
How can one leave like as the author liked to here!
Films like Slumdog Millionaire have recently raised great interest.
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